He had done & what he knew. He said in the case of Drown &
Arnold that Hickman was responsible for their death. He killed
them with the help of one or two others. He said Wm A Hickman
robed Carpenter's store took the goods in his waggon & carried
them to Huntingtons & from Huntingtons to his house over Jordon
& then told Furguson if he would kill Carpenter He would
clear him that He should not lyie in Jail one day. Furguson killed
Carpenter & was Hung for it & Hickman made him believe
that he would be liberated up to the last minute. Luce said that
Hickman Murdered [blank] for no other purpose
ownly to obtain his gold watch & money & thinks he has the watch
yet. He said that Hickman was at the head of a Band of thieves
they have stolen as high as 100 Head of cattle at a time from
Camp Floyd & gone ount onto the prairie & divided them & taken
them to different parts of the Territory. Luce also said that
Hickman had many men around him that Had to be fed & that
men under him would go onto the range & drive up a Beef
& kill & eat it & sell the Hides or make them into Larretts
or throw them away as the case might be without any regard
to whom might be the owners. Luce said that Hickman had
been his ruin and the ruin of others and in all thes things
He had carried his point by declairing that President Brigham
Young hagd given him council to do all these things (which
is a cursed lie). Luce made many other remarks which was
reported by G. D. Watt
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