July 13
and if you can find such a man I will make it right
I have wronged No man I have paid for what I have
had as I have said I do not have as much as an ear of
corn out of the tithing office ownly what I pay for I Borrowed
money to help the poor when I came here and I want
you to write my statement as I give it for it is true as
the Son. I financeer my affairs according to the wisdom
God has given me & I trust to him & he alone gives
me my increase. there isare fears here that there will
not any potatoes grow I shall look for potatoes when it
is time to dig them I do so with all my business the
Lord kan make me rich or poor Just as he pleases
I care not a groat for all the gold & silver in the world
and Jesus Christ did not. G. The leaders of the Church
must have some advantage the city lots here sold for some
price did it not go to the leaders of the Church. Y No all
the setlers paid for their city lots was $1.50 $1 to the
surveyor Mr Sherwood & 50 cts to Thomas Bullock the
recorder. G How do you get farmes here. Y The
land belongs to the United States and all the claim setlers
have is possession and improvements when men take
up unsurveyed lands they pay the surveyors fees & when
they buy improvements they pay for them according
to there value. & what they produce all men like to
speculate more or less & men are apt to get what they
can. G I calculate that I am about the ownly man
who speculates who has not bought some land in the wes-
tern country, or a city lot, many who have speculated
in land have become poor.

You have had two or three
split off'^s. How do you consider them? Y. The same as
all apostates. G Do the Bishops make Bishops or how is it
done. Y The people meet in conference and if they want
a man to preside over them as a Bishop they vote for him
and he is ordained a Bishop to preside over them.
G Can the people reduce a Bishop to the layity Y. The
people can remove a Bishop from presiding over them by
a vote & chuse the one they wish. G who is the President
of the Church. Y you know that I am the President
of the Church. I have my two councellors Mr Kimball
& Wells here are my councellors. Then we have Twelve
Apostles & Seventies & various Quorums in our organizat-
ion. G My neighbors religion does not trouble me any
how & I see no particular harm in your religion and
I am glad to learn so much from you about the rule
management, & orgainization of your Church I now
[k]now much more about your Church than I ever have
before. How many clergy men of other sects have Joined
your Church. Y not a great many & they are not often
worth much when they do Join. For the clergy men
Doctors & Lawyiers make about as poor Saints as any class
of men we have for they do not like to work much & the
mormons work for a living and I believe I am about
the ownly man who does not work. G I think there

July 13 and if you can find such a man I will make it right I have wronged No man I have paid for what I have had as I have said I do not have as much as an ear of corn out of the tithing office ownly what I pay for I Borrowed money to help the poor when I came here and I want you to write my statement as I give it for it is true as the Son. I financeer my affairs according to the wisdom God has given me & I trust to him & he alone gives me my increase. there iare fears here that there will not any potatoes grow I shall look for potatoes when it is time to dig them I do so with all my business the Lord kan make me rich or poor Just as he pleases I care not a groat for all the gold & silver in the world and Jesus Christ did not. G. The leaders of the Church must have some advantage the city lots here sold for some price did it not go to the leaders of the Church. Y No all the setlers paid for their city lots was $1.50 $1 to the surveyor Mr Sherwood & 50 cts to Thomas Bullock the recorder. G How do you get farmes here. Y The land belongs to the United States and all the claim setlers have is possession and improvements when men take up unsurveyed lands they pay the surveyors fees & when they buy improvements they pay for them according to there value. & what they produce all men like to speculate more or less & men are apt to get what they can. G I calculate that I am about the ownly man who speculates who has not bought some land in the western country, or a city lot, many who have speculated in land have become poor.

You have had two or three split off's. How do you consider them. Y. The same as all apostates. G Do the Bishops make Bishops or how is it done. Y The people meet in conference and if they want a man to preside over them as a Bishop they vote for him and he is ordained a Bishop to preside over them. G Can the people reduce a Bishop to the laity Y. The people can remove a Bishop from presiding over them by a vote & chuse the one they wish. G who is the President of the Church. Y you know that I am the President of the Church. I have my two councellors Mr Kimball & Wells here are my councellors. Then we have Twelve Apostles & Seventies & various Quorums in our organization G My neighbors religion does not trouble me any how & I see no particular harm in your religion and I am glad to learn so much from you about the rule management, & organization of your Church I now know much more about your Church than I ever have before. How many clergy men of other sects have Joined your Church. Y not a great many & they are not often worth much when they do Join. For the clergy men Doctors & Lawyiers make about as poor Saints as any class of men we have for they do not like to work much & the mormons work for a living and I believe I am about the ownly man who does not work. G I think there