At 2 oclock P.M. The following Persons met at President Youngs
upper Room Lion House in the Mansion B Young H. C. Kimball D H. WellsJ. M. Bernhisel W Woodruff S M BlairH Stout A Carrington, J. FergusonElias Smith, & Horace Greely Editor
of the Tribune when the following conversation took place
after the company was introduced to Mr Greely by the
Hon J. M. Bernhisel. Also Joseph & Brigham Young Jr was
introduced But they soon left. Mr Greely asked President
Young what is the difference between your religion & Church
from the Christian world. B. Y. The difference betwen us is
that we believe that No Church is the Church of God who
has not the Holy Priesthood. We have the Priesthood & the
sects of the day have not got it. The Lord has delivered the
Priesthood unto us & without the priesthood no man has auth-
ority to administer in the ordinances of the gospel. G do you
believe in faith & what is it" B Y We do. Paul said it was
the substance of things hopede for & the evidence of things hoped for ^not seen^. [Hebrews 11:1]
G. What do you Believe about slavery. B. Y. We believe what
the Bible sayes about it, there was a curse put upon Cain
& his seed & that curse will remain untill it wais taken
off they were to be servants. G is this a slave territory
or are there slaves here. Y There is slaves here or have been
from time to time. G Then this would become a slave state
would it not if it was admitted. Y. No the climate & situ-
ation would not admit of it. slavery is a thing I do not
want any thing to do with it. I consider it more of a
course [curse] to a man to have slaves than a Blessing. G So I
think. do you tithe the people if so what for. Y. Yes
one tenth to Build Temples, & to Feed the poor, and I
want you to understand one thing & I want you to write
it just as I tell you & that is I do not have so much
as one cabbage or ear of corn of the tithing ownly what
I pay for. G Do you have a salary. Y. No sir not one
cent. G Then how do you get your living. Y I would
think myself a poor financeer if I could not work
for Nothing & keep myself. There is No man from the
Highest to the lowest in the Church that Has a salary. The Presidency Twelve, Seventies & all the Elders who labour for
the interest of the Church do it without a salary the Elders
travel the world over as it were & go without purse or
scrip or money & all preach without a salary. While building
a Temple in Kirtland we had a committee of three who
spent there whole time they were allowed $1 per day each
man. We had a committee of three in building the Nauvoo Temple they had $2 per day each. WeI do not no
know of any other who have a salary. Joseph Smith
on[c]e gave H. C. Kimball credit of $2 on Book for some
labour. Brother Kimball had it taken off said he would
not have a credit for it. We have appointed a committe
of one Mr D H Wells here to superintend the building
of a Temple here. He has No salary. I prefer a committe
At 2 oclock P.M. The following Persons met at President Youngs
upper Room in the Mansion B Young H. C. KimballD H. WellsJ. M. Bernhisel W Woodruff S M BlairH StoutA Carrington, J. FergusonElias Smith, & Horace Greely Editor
of the Tribune when the following conversation took place
after the company was introduced to Mr Greely by the
Hon J. M. Bernhisel. Also Joseph & Brigham Young Jr was
introduced But they soon left. Mr Greely asked President
Young what is the difference between your religion & Church
from the Christian world. B. Y. The difference between us is
that we believe that No Church is the Church of God who
has not the Holy Priesthood. We have the Priesthood & the
sects of the day have not got it. The Lord has delivered the
Priesthood unto us & without the priesthood no man has authority to administer in the ordinances of the gospel. G do you
believe in faith & what is it" B Y We do. Paul said it was
the substance of things hoped for & the evidence of things not seen
G. What do you Believe about slavery. B. Y. We believe what
the Bible sayes about it, there was a curse put upon Cain
& his seed & that curse will remain untill itis taken
off they were to be servants. G is this a slave territory
or are there slaves here. Y There is slaves here or have been
from time to time. G Then this would become a slave state
would it not if it was admitted. Y. No the climate & situation would not admit of it. slavery is a thing I do not
want any thing to do with it. I consider it more of a
curse to a man to have slaves than a Blessing. G So I
think. do you tithe the people if so what for. Y. Yes
one tenth to Build Temples, & to Feed the poor, and I
want you to understand one thing & I want you to write
it just as I tell you & that is I do not have so much
as one cabbage or ear of corn of the tithing ownly what
I pay for. G Do you have a salary. Y. No sir not one
cent. G Then how do you get your living. Y I would
think myself a poor financeer if I could not work
for Nothing & keep myself. There is No man from the
Highest to the lowest in the Church that Has a salary. The
Presidency Twelve, Seventies & all the Elders who labour for
the interest of the Church do it without a salary the Elders
travel the world over as it were & go without purse or
scrip or money & all preach without a salary. While building
a Temple in Kirtland we had a committee of three who
spent there whole time they were allowed $1 per day each
man. We had a committee of three in building the
Nauvoo Temple they had $2 per day each. I do not
know of any other who have a salary. Joseph Smith
once gave H. C. Kimball credit of $2 on Book for some
labour. Brother Kimball had it taken off said he would
not have a credit for it. We have appointed a committe
of one Mr D H Wells here to superintend the building
of a Temple here. He has No salary. I prefer a committe
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